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« on: May 17, 2010, 07:14:36 PM »

OK guys. Heres my problem. After months of working on my 88 Comanche (could only work on certain weekends) i finally finished it in time for me to move it. I put in a ford 8.8, 97 TJ tranny and t-case, clutch, master cylinder, lifted the rear, and other minor details. well....sunday i put the finishing touches on her, the strater and the battery. i fired her up and she sounds perfect. BUT.... when i put her in first gear and tried to move her, nothing happened!  Cuss Cuss Cuss im pretty sure it has to do with the clutch (even though brand new) i must have installed it wrong or something. anybody have any ideas before i drop the tranny....AGAIN!!!  dooh dooh dooh
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2010, 07:21:50 PM »

the transfer case isnt in neutral is it? ive done that before dooh

other than that if you able to have it in gear and the clutch not pressed in and it doesnt go any where then its the clutch.

or the tranny is messed up.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2010, 07:26:26 PM »

haha no the tranny wasnt on neutral. all the gears engaged, it just wouldnt go  dooh i dont think the tranny is messed up because i good friend sold it to me cause he went automatic instead. but yea i can put it in gear without pushing the clutch
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2010, 09:14:51 PM »

Did you reuse the clutch from your buddys jeep or install a new one? It kinda sounds like the splines on the input shaft arent the same as the clutch.
Also if it has an inspection cover pop it off and make sure the clutch and fly wheel are bolted to the engine. I know it sounds dumb but I have done both of those in the past. dooh
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 09:17:18 PM »

no i bought a neww cluch kit, and used that cj5 bearing since i switched fro a peugeot to a TJ ax15. i guess ill have to check about the inspection cover when i drop the tranny, but im pretty sure i did
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2010, 09:30:07 PM »

New slave cylinder? I had the shift fork pop off and hold the clutch disengaged before and then do the opposite.. That was a fun ride home.. no stopping lol  LMAO
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2010, 09:36:59 PM »

No. thats the only thing i didnt buy new. but it seemed pretty fine. no leaks and it seemed like it had good pressure. haha man thats crazy. when i put everything in it seemed to be good and in place.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 09:56:19 PM »

Yea'  I think it's stupid how the mfg thinks that paper clip they installed on the shift fork is supposed to hold up.
Before you go pulling the tranny.
 Pull the slave cylinder at the trans and make sure its not hyper extended and holding the clutch open. you would most likely be loosing fluid into the bell housing if this was the case.  If thats not it. then try tripping the starter. with the slave cylinder out. if the jeep moves your problems solved, (slave cylinder) unless you just ran over your friend or backed into your neighbors car.. then you found new problems.. JK
just be careful.. good luck
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2010, 09:59:19 PM »

thanks mike i appreciate it.  ThumbUp im gonna try that this week after school. thanks again guys.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2010, 10:00:09 PM »

Also a new slave cylinder will move easy and won't be hard. hard or heavy is signs of old  001_9898
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2010, 10:15:38 PM »

Wrong tranny! You need a manual trans from a PRE-91. A 97 AX15? would have a 23 spline input and a 88 will have a 21.
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2010, 01:22:21 PM »

So the input shaft on the transfercase (21 spline) would still fit over the 23 spline output on the trans? Didn't think they would even bolt up...
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2010, 08:32:12 PM »

i was talking to some guys on pirate and they said that that tranny and transfer case would bolt up perfect? i found another guy who did the same exact same ting put it was a 99 TJ.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=849793

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1019526


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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2010, 10:35:11 PM »

So the input shaft on the transfercase (21 spline) would still fit over the 23 spline output on the trans? Didn't think they would even bolt up...
Wait, nevermind, im confused.
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2010, 08:30:00 AM »

so did you get this thing moving yet?
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2010, 09:00:25 AM »

sounds like the clutch fork to me   or the thowout bearing  came off the fork
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2010, 06:21:21 PM »

im working on it. i barely have any time to do it between school and work. but ill keep you guys posted. ill check out the clutch and bearing. thanks guys.
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2010, 05:05:04 PM »

after a long break (europe) i started to work on my comanche again. i put new master, slave, line, and reinstalled the clutch again. now its a different problem. before it wouldnt move at all. i started the manche (without the driveshafts) and the rearend of the tranny started to spin. it spun when i ran it through all the gears. it spun even while the clutch was in and even when it was on neutral. any idea what this could be?
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2010, 07:45:55 PM »

There is always a little drag on the clutch so it will spin no matter what without the drive shaft on.  Put the divershaft on and take it for a spin.


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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2010, 08:28:41 PM »

 :iagree:as the post above, there is always drag on it,hook it it up and let us know. ThumbUp
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