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« on: October 19, 2008, 02:38:37 PM » |
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I am trying to get my rig set up the way I want it, safe and dependable, before I take it to the trails/streets. Since I own a Scout there aren't a lot of bolt-on parts so I need to figure things out and make them work, but I like the challenge.
As it currently sits I have 1/2 ton Chevy axles under the rig, and since I scavenged the axles I also took the Chevy power steering setup and set it up similar to the way it was in the Chevy truck. I am looking to go to high steer rather than the push/pull system. I know I need to get a passenger flat top knuckle and high steer arm(any recommendations?) and build a tie rod and drag link.
All of this I can handle, the thing I'm mulling over in my big empty head is whether to go with tie rod ends(TRE) or heim joints. What are the advantages/disadvantages to either? First hand experience? Help a newb out!
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2008, 04:29:06 PM » |
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Where do you plan on driving this the most? The reason I ask is that if a lot of street driving you may like TRE better becasue they won't wear out near as fast. Heims can wear out then start to clunk and be sloppy making the steering sloppy. ANd its always easy to find a replacement TRE at a local parts store then a heim joint
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HURLEYGO3
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 08:05:22 AM » |
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I have used 3/4 hiems on all my steering, from dd on 37's to trail rig on 42's. never had a heim wear out. but i'm not using cheap hiems either.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 12:33:33 PM » |
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Good info so far, thanks. I will probably end up doing way more mall crawling than rock crawling with my truck, even though I wish it would be the other way around.
If your rig was a daily driver, would you feel confident in heims? To me, they just seem like more of an "off-road only" application.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2008, 07:48:20 AM » |
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One ton Chevy TRE. Absolutely. Read this and get a steering edumaction -and you cna get the parts from them too. http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/Dana60crossover.htm |
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 08:28:07 AM » |
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If you do use heims (and I say don't!) make it double shear, not single shear.
Make sure you have the unthreaded shank of the bolt thru the arm and the heim. If you have threads in the holes the holes will wallow out.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2008, 01:32:48 PM » |
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i would hope that anyone that is using hiems for anything would not be using a threaded bolt. ;)
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 02:42:30 PM » |
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What else would you be using? Baling wire?
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2008, 03:37:14 PM » |
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What else would you be using? Baling wire?
how about a shoulder bolt? |
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2008, 03:52:51 PM » |
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I thought you meant something without threads. The shoulder bolt would have a more precise fit, but you'd have to get the shoulder length just right. I rarely see them used, probably mostly due to lack of knowledge. A regular G8 bolt is OK but not as precise on size and you have to get the shoulder right. It's very common to find "newbies" or even non-newbies using the wrong bolt...I prefer to just stay with tapered, sealed, greasable joints.
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2008, 09:37:44 AM » |
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At least use Misalignment spacers...
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2008, 11:26:26 AM » |
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you won't need misalingment spaces for the tie rod between the knuckles, but you will need them from the pitman arm to the knuckle.
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2008, 09:26:48 PM » |
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Unless you make the steering arms wrong like the one in the pic I posted....
Another option I like if you're using rod ends is to thread the arm and screw the bolt in and lock it with a castle nut and cotter pin on the bottom. Back when I was a kid before I decided against Heims I did the scout D44 under my
CJ-7 that way and it worked well, never got loose or sloppy.
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